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#9 The Heap Family Line

Each month I am looking at a different Family surname and straightening out my files and seeing what I know or don’t know for each family line. This month the dubious job is surveying the Heap files. It begins with my maternal grandmother (Ada Richmal Heap  b. 18 August 1888, Staten Island, New York, USA) and I have navigated my way back to my 4x great grandfather (Robert Heap b. 1766?, Cheshire England).

Since I have the direct line sorted out to that point I have taken to what we genealogist lovingly call “killing off the relatives”. Some of the siblings are not co-operating and in order to find their death dates I have to muck around in the records sometimes creating more questions for myself. One of those was Edward Heap b. about 1841 to Henry and Mary (Woolley) Heap. Henry had a brother Edward Lees Heap (b. 1809 d. 1845) and when Henry and Mary had their third baby boy christened on 11 April 1841 they named him Edward Lees Heap. Well, now Henry’s son Edward is in the 1841 census for Ashton Under Lyne and noted to be 6 months old. Also there is another Edward Heap 30 years old living in Henry’s household, unfortunately they do not list relationship in the 1841 UK Census, but the age is right for Edward Lees Heap, Henry’s brother. Since the census was to reflect the household on the night of  June 6th 1841  Edward (the younger) was born in either December 1840 or January 1841.

Henry and Mary had their children (Robert, John Woolley and Edward)  baptized at the parish church

Mottram Parish Church from Google Earth

Mottram-in-Logandendale, Cheshire England. In the Census of 1841 the family is shown as living at Rossbottom Street in the town of Staleybridge (Cheshire). When Mary (Woolley) Heap dies in 1843 she is shown as being at Rossbottom Street and when Henry marries Eliza Stokes in 1845 his address is listed as Staleybridge and they marry in Ashton Under Lyne. In the Census of 1851 the family is shown as living at 52 Rossbottom Street in the town of Staleybridge (Cheshire) but no Edward.

 

So the questions are:

  • where in 1851 is Edward or did he not  survive to his 10th birthday
  • where would I find the death record? Mottram-in- Logandale? Ashton-under Lyne?
  •  looking at the map of the area we can see that Staleybridge is between Mottram-in- Logandendale and Ashton-under Lyne.

Who are the Edward Heaps in the 1851 UK census

  • in Hartshead in the parish of Ashton-under Lyne there’s another Henry Heap family. His wife is listed as Elizabeth. The children in the family are shown as Robert(24 years of age), Ann (22), Edward (21), Martha (18), and Joseph (16). This Edward is too old and this Robert is 4 years older the our Robert would have been. This census does list the relationship of each individual to the head of household
  • in Lancashire there are are only two other Edward Heaps indexed in the 1851 UK census.
    • one in Higher Booths who is only 5
    • one in Cotton who is 11 which would be about the correct age but he is shown as born in Munst.
  • There are none in Cheshire and several in Yorkshire.

So I have sent an inquiry to the Parish church in Mottram-in-Logandendale for a possible burial that is not available on-line. Any other ideas? Would love your input.

 

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Who were Richmal HEAP’s parents?

My grandmother was named Ada Richmal Heap.  I had always been curious about my grandmothers middle name but only remembered that it had been a family name. Apparently she was named for both her grandmothers, Ada for her mother’s mother and Richmal for her father’s mother. I discovered who Richmal actually was when researching the Heap Family line. It was the marriage record that revealed her maiden name. (Click on images to enlarge.)

UK Parish marriage Record John Woolley Heap and Richmal Hall

UK Parish marriage Record
John Woolley Heap and Richmal Hall

Also listed on the record was her father.

Samuel Hall,  Moulder.

With a common name of Samuel Hall in England’s Cheshire/Lancashire area of Ashton -under Lyne, I really appreciate these helpful bits of information . Knowing he was an (iron) moulder narrowed the field down to a single individual. When looking for the Parish records for Richmal’s baptism I thought it would be straight forward because of her unusual first name. It became a little confusing to discover two Richmal Halls baptized in two different parishes just a few months apart.

Lancashire Parish Baptism Richmal Hall

Lancashire Parish Baptism
Richmal Hall ~ 18 Jan. 1835

The above baptism in the Parish of Aston-under Lyne show the parents of Richmal as Samuel and Sarah Hall, living in Newton, and Samuel’s trade as “Iron Moulder”.

The other Baptism for a Richmal is 6 July 1834 in the Parish of Bury, the parents are James and Richmal Hall of Redvales, and James’ trade is “Weaver”.  Richmal’s birth is listed as March 25, 1834.

Lancashire Bury Parish Richmal Hall not ours

Lancashire Bury Parish
Richmal Hall
not ours

This brought to mind how my mother named her son David and about 6 months later and 200 miles away her sister-in law also had a boy and named him David. Could this be what happened here? Are the two Richmal’s cousins?

So now that I have Richmal’s parent as Samuel and Sarah, but who was Sarah?

I found that Samuel Hall, a Bachelor, marries a  Sarah Marland on 10 May 1818 in the Parish of Stockport in Cheshire, England. The lesson here is once you find the information that fits do not stop looking because that may not be the end of the story.

Cheshire Marriage record Parish of Stockport Samuel Hall and Sarah

Cheshire Marriage record Parish of Stockport
Samuel Hall and Sarah Marland

In 1820 Samuel Hall, a Widower, married Sarah Coe on 2 January. Note that both of these records indicate Samuel Hall is an Iron Moulder.

Cheshire Marriages Parish of Stockport Samuel Hall and Sarah Coe

Cheshire Marriages Parish of Stockport
Samuel Hall and Sarah Coe

Therefore Samuel married Sarah Marland in 1818 and by January of 1820 Sarah has died and Samuel remarries a Sarah Coe.

 

In the 1841 UK Census for Cheshire Dunkenfield, Samuel is listed as 40 and an Iron Moulder, his wife is listed as Sally also 40. What happened to Sarah?

1841 UK Census Dunkenfield Cheshire

1841 UK Census
Dunkenfield Cheshire

 

Included in the household are John 20, Ann 22, Julia 15 a Bonnet maker,  Charles 15 , Ann 14, Martha 12, Ricahmal 7, Sarah 5, and Fanny 10 months.

I have been unsuccessful in locating Samuel, an Iron Moulder, in the 1851 UK Census. Lots of Samuel Halls in both Dunkenfield and Ashton-under Lyne, but none that have the right trade or family members. Looking for the sons in the 1851 census has not been fruitful either.

1861 UK Census Aston-under Lyne St Michaels parish

1861 UK Census
Aston-under Lyne
St Michaels parish

Again in the 1861 UK Census Samuel is shown alone with Sally. Who is Sally?

Probate index Samuel Hall

Probate index Samuel Hall

From the Probate index above we see that John Hall is Samuel’s son. In the 1841 census we can verify that John and Richmal (Richmal Baptised 18 Jan 1835) are the children of Samuel and Sarah Coe. There is a Charles Hall baptized  15 May 1825 at St Michaels in Aston-under Lyne to a Samuel and Sarah Hall. The Charles listed in the 1841 census is 15 making his birth about 1825 or 26. This gives me a reasonable assumption that Charles listed in the 1841 census is also Samuel and Sarah’s child.  There are two Ann’s listed in this census one being 22 and the other 14. Is Ann wife to John?If Samuel’s wife Sarah died prior to 1841 then some members of the household may be Sally’s children from a previous marriage. And depending on when Sarah died will indicate if any of the children could be from a third marriage of Samuel and Sally.

I will continue to look for baptismal records for children born to Samuel and Sarah. I still need death records for both Sarah Marland and Sarah Coe. In the meantime I can look to see if Samuel remarries in St. Michaels to a Sally. Or I may find a death record for a Sally Hall wife of Samuel. As usual while I have the answer to my initial question I now have half a dozen new questions.

 

 

 

 

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