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George Jones

I am just now getting around to reporting on my different discoveries while in Salt Lake City Family History Library last month. I spent some time working with George Ott, one of the consultants that the tour makes available to their participants. He is a great researcher that my sister and I have worked with often in the past. I now hove a sad story about the George Jones/Jane Langley family. Immigration was always difficult but for George and Jane it was probably unbearable.
If you have read my post “George Jones where are you?” you might recall the two boys Alfred Langley Jones and Walter Jones. They are my 2x great grandmother Ada Jane Jones’s younger brothers. Alfred Langley Jones was born in England in 12 March 1841  and Walter Jones was born 8 July 1843. While in Liverpool prior to the family sailing to the United States on the 7th of March, George and Jane had their two boys baptized at the parish church of St. Peter.

The Ships manifest for the Franconia shows their arrival on 22 April 1844 in New York and sailing out of Liverpool. What I have now discovered is that on May 3 just  eleven days later Alfred died and only 5 short days later the infant Walter died.

How crushing to have made that rigorous trip and then to have your two youngest children die before they were even established here. The death records shows they were both buried in Potters Field, meaning they had no money to pay for any kind of formal burial. At the time of their death the family was living at 308 Water Street. Was there some kind of housing there or were they living in some kind of immigrant facilities? When you go to google maps the Brooklyn Bridge is there today. When the family came into New York Harbor the ships anchorage may have been very close by. The bridge construction did not begin until 1869 and was completed 13 years later. Nearby is Immigrant Park and at pier 15 is the Wavertree, a 4 masted schooner out of Liverpool.

 

 

Brick wall help from local genealogical society

If you have not gotten evolved with you local society I would encourage you to do so. They can provide you with great resources, workshops, and discussion groups.

Every year JCGS (Jefferson County Genealogical Society) works on “Brick Walls”. Members submit their brick walls, then a few experienced members review and research the submitted problems. The findings along with a workshop on brick walls is presented at a regular meeting six months later.

This morning I was driving to the monthly local genealogy society meeting, hoping that there would be some specific help for me on my George Jones “brick wall”.  I had submitted “Who were George Jones parents and where was he born?”

George was my 3x great grandfather. Of course I had provided them with what I knew and what I had already researched. I had been having trouble from the very start. Finding George’s first name had been my first stumbling block. I thought once I knew his name I would be able to solve it all. False optimism. That was about 20 years ago. I would like to move on to the previous generation………I have to remind myself, “baby steps”.

Today’s workshop began by walking us through some hints on approaching those brick walls. 

Where to start.

  • Identify your question.
  • Review what is “Known” and the supporting documents.
  • Prepare a time line of facts
  • Layout a research plan

The question 

Try to state the problem in a single objective.  

Review

Sometimes we look at the same document and focus only on what we initially learned and miss some hint. Do not overlook friends, acquaintances, and neighbors (FAN club). Who were the witnesses at a marriage, or godparents at a christening, neighbors on the census or in deeds?

Put the information from the documentation in a timeline. 

What documents are missing? What relevant documents will fill in the gaps and provide pertinent  information.

  •  Censuses – national, state, non population, veteran, etc.
  • City Directories
  • Immigration, migration
  • Church records, marriage, christening, etc.
  • Local court records, deeds, probate, guardianships, naturalization, arrest, etc.

The plan…..

What was happening in this time frame: wars, epidemics, disasters, industrialization, migration, political upheaval that may have affected your family.

Where are the records kept for the, area/areas you subject lived: Parish, courthouse, estate, state, national archives, local libraries, local Historical groups, etc.

Start with the immediate family and work outward. Use a spread sheet to organize the FAN club

Follow ALL the children not just your line. Parents often show up in their adult children’s homes later in their lives, or in the same town. How many of your friends have moved to be closer to their children and grandchildren. One of my ancestors moved from Cambridge , Massachusetts to California gold country to be nearer their daughter and her family when they were in their 70’s (between 1870 & 1877)

Break it into small pieces. Do not overwhelm yourself. Concentrate on one thing at a time. if you are looking for date of death, where were they last. Where were their children in the next record. Check those areas after you have exhausted where they were last known to be located.

So now that I have heard and summarized for myself on how to work on those pesky “ brick walls” I was anxious to hear the problems the society had taken on to attempt to solve. The first three presentations were reviewed and the findings were presented, I listened but kept wondering “what did they discover for me?”. Then they came to mine. A quick summary of the question and then lots of suggestions on where I should look. 

No answers? But a George Jones (19 July 1855) in the New York Herald index to marriages and deaths Vol.1 1835-1855. Something to definitely check out.

Each contributor was given a file with a report on what was done and what was found and where to go next. 

This summary of their search will be great going forward. It also illustrates that fresh eyes on the subject can help you in evaluating what you may be doing, right or wrong. While they did not answer my question I have their input and suggestions to continue my own search.

George Jones were are you?


This month I am looking into the Jones family line on my tree. Common names are very difficult to follow and this one holds true. It is another brick wall.

I had put off working on this line because of the common name “Jones”. Now it seems all I have left (Ha, Ha) are the brick walls.

  • My 2x great grandmother was Ada Jane Jones b. 2 May 1837, original touted as having been born in London. However six months later according to Baptisms in the Parish of St Philip Birmingham, in the county of Warwick she was baptized on 29 November 1837, that is close to Coleshill where her mother’s family (the Langley’s) lived.
    • Jane Langley and George Jones were married by special license on 25 Sept. 1834 in London England
    • Known siblings of Ada Jane Jones include:
      • George M. Jones b. 1838-1840 England
      • Alfred Langley Jones b. 1842 England
      • Walter Jones b. 1844 England
      • Catherine Jones b. 1848 New York
      • Mary Jane Jones b. 1853 New York
    • Ship Franconia to America left from Liverpool England and arrived in New York 22 April 1844 with:
      • George Jones 37
      • Jane          ”    30
      • Ada Jane  ”    7
      • George    ”    4
      • Alfred     ”    2
      • Walter    ”    inft.
    • 1850 US Census New York, New York lists:
      • Geo Jones    45, laborer, Eng
      • Jane       Do.  38, …………., Do.
      • Geo M.   Do.  12, …………., Do.
      • Ada        Do.   13, …………., Do.
      • Cth         Do.     2, …………., N.Y.

When I found this census my first question was “What has happened to Alfred and Walter?” I proceeded to look for them. What I discovered was very limited. The Jones name was too common. I thought Alfred and Walter would set them apart. Lots of Georges around the country but nothing that said this is our George Jones,

  • Ada Jane Jones married Joseph Booth 25 October 1859 in Hudson City, New Jersey. So for the 1860 census she and Joseph Booth show up on their own on Staten Island, New York. Where are the rest of the family members in the 1860″s census?
  • Searched for and did not locate in the 1860 US Census
    • George Jones ≈ 55 years of age
    • Jane Jones  ≈ 46 years of age
    • George M. Jones ≈ 20 years old
    • Alfred Langley Jones = 18 years
    • Walter Jones = 16 years of age
    • Catherine Jones = 12 years of age
  • Searched for and did not locate in New York or New Jersey death record of any of the above.
  • Checked Cemetery where Ada Jane Booth is buried (Fairview Cemetery, Staten Island) for any likely Jones.
  • Searched US Civil War Records for any of the boys. Found a Alfred L. Jones in Louisiana Confederate Army, hum.. doubt that he is ours.
  • I thought well if things did not turn out well for George in the United States maybe he went back to England. I did find a George father and son Alfred in England but not where I would expect them to be. Are they ours?

1870 US Census- Brooklyn
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1900 US Census- Brooklyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1905 NY State Census

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806 Driggs Ave. Brooklyn NY


  • Found a George M. Jones, spouse Matilda, he is a tobacco importer, born in England, living in Brooklyn 1870, 1900 and 1905. He is the right age, for the son, and in 1900 it lists the correct year for coming (1844) to the US. The census shows a daughter Sarah and Maria. Matilda is not in the two later census.

 

Not much to go on there. I continue to look and have submitted what I have to my genealogical society “Common Name Brick Walls”, and will be grateful for all and any ideas.

So that is my Jones Line to date. Interesting fact Jane Langley’s mother was a Jones, a Mary Jones in Warwick England. Have not even begun to look into that.

 

52 Ancestors – Jane Langley – one of my 32

Jane Langley

Jane Langley

This past weeks challenge for Week 32 = 32. Amy Johnson Crow’s challenge was to write about one of your 32 3rd-great-grandparents. For me I have only identified 27 of my 32 and for my husband’s family I have only identified 19. I have a lot more work to do.
So let see, what have I learned about my mother’s, mother’s, mother’s, mother’s, mother- Jane Langley.

This is my maternal line which relates to my mitochondrial DNA. That is so neat to think that I could carry the same DNA that Jane Langley carried in her cells.
Jane was baptized on 1 July 1811 to Edward and Mary Langley in Warwickshire England.

Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812

Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812

My grandmother talked about the three Langley beauties. Jane, Polly and think it was Sarah. But according to the records I have Jane’s sisters being Myra (or Mira), Elizabeth and Mary. So who are Polly and Sarah did grandma make that up? I have learned that Polly can be a nickname for Mary, okay. Now that leaves Myra or Elizabeth for the Sarah in grandma’s story? Myra never married and Elizabeth never goes by the name Sarah in any of the records I have found. Elizabeth married quite well and I told a story for her family in #43 John E. Sly.

Jane Langley married George Jones a widower on 25 September 1834 in London England

Marriage by License George Jones and Jane Langley

Marriage by License
George Jones and Jane Langley

I was unable to find them in the 1840 U.S. Census, but after years of looking for their daughter in the 1850 US Census I finally found her at home in New York with her parents and a brother, George M. and sister Cth.

1850 US Census

1850 US Census

 

Here I found:Geo. Jones (45) a Laborer from England, Jane (38) also born in England, Geo M. (12) born in England, Ada (13) born in England and, Cth (2) a female born in New York.

From this I surmised that they came to the United States sometime between 1838 and 1848 and then I discovered this:

Mew York Passenger List 1820-1957

Mew York Passenger List 1820-1957

Here we can see that on 22 April 1844 the ship Franconia arrived in New York out of Liverpool England with a George Jones 37 years of age, a farmer, along with Jane (30), Ada Jane (6), George (4), Alfred (2), and Walter an infant.

What happened to Jane’s other children in the 1850 census, Alfred and Walter?

At this time I went back to looking for Jane and family in England in the 1841 census. I discovered Ada Jane Jones with her grandmother and  a cousin Sarah Plumbridge (did grandma get Elizabeth’s daughters name mixed up with her?). But where is the rest of the family? Still have not found them for that census.

1841 Census Coleshill Warwickshire England

1841 Census Coleshill Warwickshire England

I did find where her sons Alfred and Walter were baptized in Liverpool Englnd before their sailing to America.

Baptisms St Peters in Liverpool 1844

Baptisms St Peters in Liverpool 1844

That is about all I have on Jane Langley Jones. I feel like George and Jane may have returned to England after their daughter ( my 2x great grandmother) married Joseph Booth. So while I finally found the Jane Langley I have yet to complete her story.

 

 

 

52 Ancestors ~ #21 Ada Jane Jones ~ The First from the Last

Ada Jane Jones is my maternal 2x great grandmother.  This photo of hers had been mislabeled by my grandfather. When we visited our grandmothers cousin (Harriet Booth) in Virginia Beach she corrected it for us and we saw one of the originals.

Ada Jane (Jones) Booth

Ada Jane (Jones) Booth

She was the first Ada in a series and I am the last. It used to be a custom to name children for relatives. Now names are chosen for their uniqueness. I’m not saying that is good or bad it is just the way many names are now being picked. Before I got started on this adventure of family genealogy I knew the basics about our family and who our ancestors were. Grandma Dougherty whom I was named for, was into telling us children family stories, some of which were true and some were sort of true. Of course as a child I thought they were told literally. Grandma (Ada Richmal [Heap] Dougherty) was named for both of her grandmothers (Ada [Jones] Booth and Richmal [Hall] Heap). I knew that Ada Jane Jones mother was a Langley and her father may have been George Jones. That was about it.
I thought I would give her history backwards because that’s the way I discovered her information.
Ada Jane (Jones) Booth died on Sept 12 1911.

Death Certificate Ada Jane Booth

Death Certificate
Ada Jane Booth

Her death certificate states her birthday as May 2 1841, her birth place was England, the name of her father is shown as George Jones and her mother was Jane Langley. The name of the informant is not listed.  I had sent to the New York City Municipal Archives for this way back in 1985 and received this certified copy for a small fee. This document is not available on line.

It used to be that I would go to the local LDS church and order Microfilm from the LDS church Library in Salt Lake City for the Census that I believed our ancestor to be listed in. Once it arrived at the local church I would spend hours looking through the films until I found the family listing. The following one was a very lucky find because everyone seemed to be living on the same street.

1900 US census  Richmond County New York

1900 US census
Richmond County
New York

The Family History Library had a microfilm copy machine and if it was working I could make copies for 10 cents each. In this 1900 Census I found  my Grandmother Ada, my great grandmother Ada, and my 2x great grandmother Ada.

Ada Jane (Jones) Booth (61 years) is married to Joseph Booth (61) a blacksmith. This census shows how many years married for Joseph and Ada it lists 40 years. It also states they were both born in England and they had both come to this country in 1850 and had both been in this country for 50 years.

Joseph is shown as a naturized citizen while nothing is listed for Ada. The children living at home are: Walter (35), single, born in New York, a  carpenter, Chas (Charles) (20), single, born in New York, a carpenter, Hattie (25), single, born in New York, a bookkeeper, and Emma (19) single, born in New York.

In the Heap household listed before them is their daughter Ada Jane with her family and in the household before their daughter’s is their son, William Booth and his family.

The Bamber household further down the page is Edmond Bamber and his family. Edmond is the son of Mary Booth and William Bamber. Mary is the sister to Joseph Booth. If you aren’t confused by now you are suited to be a genealogist.

I have always been disappointed that the 1890 census was not available. It might have filled in those gaps we have in some of our families history. Anyway back to Ada Jane Jones we can find her in the 1880, 1870, and 1860, US census  with her husband and children. The 1910 US census is after her husband Joseph dies and she is shown alone with her daughters, Emma and Hattie.

1910 US census Richmond County New York

1910 US census
Richmond County
New York

Joseph and Ada Jane had  8 children

(1) George M. Booth was born in 1860  and married Abbice King in 1884. (2)Walter L. was born in 1862 and married Anna Denker. (3) William R. Booth was born Aug. 29, 1865 and was married twice (a) Birdie and (b) Mary Alma Corbett. (4) Ada Jane was born Oct. 9, 1867 and married Charles Heap. (5) Isaac Sylvatus was born in 1870 and married Wilhelmina  Simpson. (6) W.H. (Harriet) was born in 1872 and married  (a) Armstrong, and (b) Eugene Parker. (7) Charles L.  was born about March 1875. (8) Emma L. was born 26 February  1880 and married Joseph A. Sullivan.

A large family that lived very close to each other on Staten Island for several generations must have been a joy for Ada Jane. But what of her family. My questions for years were: Did she come to this country alone or did she come with other family members? How do I find her family in England when Jones is such a common name?

Well, I’m always looking for my family. I know that more and more records are indexed and come on line all the time and look what I found George Jones in the 1850 US. Census on Ancestry.com. After looking at a lot of George Jones.

1850 US Census New York City

1850 US Census
New York City

 

You see Geo, Jones (46), born in England, his wife Jane (36) also born in England, son Geo. M. (16) born in England, daughter Ada  Jane (13) born in England, and daughter Eth. (2) born in New York. So for the youngest to have been born in New York the family had to have been here at least 2 or 3 years. Then I found this also thanks to Ancestry .com.

New York Passenger List Sip Franconia out of Liverpool

New York Passenger List
Sip Franconia out of Liverpool

This is the Passenger List for the ship Franconia out of Liverpool England arriving New York 22 April 1844 that shows George Jones (39) listed as a Farmer. Jane Jones (30) , Ada Jane Jones (6), George Jones (4), Alfred  Jones (2), and Walter Jones (inf’). Wow I now know that they should be in the UK Census for 1841. And this is what I have found so far.

1841 UK Census Coleshill, Warwick, England

1841 UK Census
Coleshill, Warwick, England

 

Here we find Ada Jones (4) in the household of Mary Langley (70) Ind. along with Myra Langley (40) milliner, and  Sarah Plumbridge (9). Who turns out to be Ada Jane Jones cousin. This census indicates that Ada Jones was not born in Warwick county. So were was she born? What happened to the Jones family in America after the 1850 US census? What Happened to Alfred and Walter who were on the Ship that arrived? Where were her siblings born? I will keep looking and it grows my to-do list for our trip to Salt Lake Family History Library later this year.

Next week I will be doing a story on my husbands family. Hope to see you then.

 

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